The Downside of TSK

"Knowledge without diligent effectuation is like a person visiting a woman of loose character's place and watching others being pleasured in their ecstasy"

Don't even bother to Google it to discover who had said such a golden nugget as it is even first time for one of the top valuable brands in the world to figure it out who has said this pearls of wisdom.

Still confused and puzzled who it is?

Who else. 

It's none other than the person who is typing out this blog.

So, what has knowledge got to with the phenomenal and peals of laughter-inducing TSK?

Especially when the title reads that it's about the negatives of a raving good film.

Where else would I go without saying it.

But, first.

Imagine you walk into a police station to give a complaint. The police officer is in tip-top shape, neat and trim. Being the rare bad egg who is corrupted and has itchy palms, you get fired up, slap him and go out to shake your leg for a song. 

Whether the police officer was right. Nope. 

Whether the person was right to slap the officer. Nada. 

Because you have the law to take care and upheld the justice of any ill events by the perpetrators in the society.

But, what is the real problem here is that you have punctured the man's ego and he is sure to exact his revenge unless he is the sort of person who realizes that what he has done is incorrect and rectifies himself.

None of the above two scenarios happened in TSK. In fact, the police officer was nowhere to be seen since the first scene after the thara local and peppy 'Sodakku' song. 

This is one of the major logical crevasses that wasn't seen in NRD.

And, certainly the blips and slips from Vignesh Shivn (VS) who had presented an almost perfect and logically intact movie in his previous outing.

As much as the story and narration is TSK's strength, it is its own downfall as well.

In NRD, you are shown how close the friends were before they embarked upon the cracking plan to bring down Parthipan.

In TSK, we are given only one single scene where Surya meets and briefs the talented ensemble cast of Ramya Krishnan, Senthil etc and they give their unanimous nod to pose as CBI agents in this con-action packed heist flick.

The worse is yet to come.

The SI - Nandha - who has a change of heart to lend his support to Surya's endeavor did not cite a sound reason to join the hero as one of his crew.

Agreed. It's a movie but still, his rationale did not hold water.

Keerthy Suresh (KS) was nowhere to be seen in the second half especially during the climax scenes. The most probable reason which VS could give it is that the hero was trying to shield the heroine from any possible danger as she was her lady love. Still, it's a movie and she could have been better utilized to spice things up with the last con.

Speaking of KS, the biggest logical abyss is where Surya details out a plan to KS's fiancee and her when all three of them (mainly Surya!) engage in a serious conversation discussing their wedding.

We are not shown what was the exact plan or how Surya wanted to sabotage the marriage so that KS and he could be united. 

Maybe, we will have TSK - Part 2? I don't know.

Also, we are being told that KS was living with the family when she was a kid. Things would have been more clearer and tied up if she had a good backdrop as to how KS managed to hook herself up with the family like how Nayanthara had a justifiable setting of how she lost her hearing or her dad.

Similarly, I couldn't comprehend the logic as to why Surya turned down the prestigious offer by Karthik to be enrolled as a formal official and continue the same work with actual power and authority than being a con artist particularly when it was Surya's passion to be a cop. 

If the passion factor wasn't to be seen, then Surya walking away and overruling the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to serve our nation was perfectly acceptable and credible. 

But, is that the case?

In NRD, the director preaches a social message that being a cop is better than a rowdy.

In TSK, he says or at least, he indirectly leaves it to the audience that it's better to be a con-artist than being a cop.

A complete volte-face from NRD.

For those who see movies as nothing but an entertainment platform, it doesn't matter whether it has an inherent social message or not. Having a social message is a fantastic value-add or an entirely new perspective that teases your senses

But, those who perceive movies as real and take it to heart, they can probably be in an unrealistic world that conning is way better to work just like how many films glorify and exalt stalking and some people implement them in actual life.

Had anyone else committed such inherent blunders in the script, it wouldn't have mattered.

But, VS has made a good name for himself through NRD and with pitching Surya in the lead role, the screenplay must have been plugged and devoid of basic logical failures as not showing how Surya goes about to marry KS.

Wrapping it up, TSK is nowhere near to perfect like its predecessor.

However, VS had hit all the right buttons - versatile actors and stalwarts, humor, songs, BGM -  to make it a lively, spirited, enjoyable and highly entertaining affair where you get the big bang for your bucks.

Just hope VS shows care to see that all things are attended to in his next different and fresh venture and make it a superlative hat-trick of success through his fun-filled ideations in his short and effective career.

Laughter was, is and will always be The. Best. Medicine.

PS:

Figured out why I began with the knowledge reference earlier?

No?

Shall I leave it unattended and incomplete so as to be in sync with the spirit of the movie? 

Okay??

It's not right, right?

Okay....

If knowledge had been properly incorporated in the script that important things should always be attended, I wouldn't have had the necessity to write down this blog in the first place.

The Struggle is Real for Truth & Opinion - Part 5

Ah! Yes.

Even I know this has been a sufficiently long read for anyone to even keep track of anything and everything that has been heatedly and cooly exchanged between us. No matter how eruptive or frigid the nature of our discussion has been traversing topsy-turvy, I hope you are finding it as a deeply enriching and nutritious experience.

Let me just give a quick recap as to where Part 4 ended in a nail-biter so that you can easily recall your already loaded memory from day-to-day activities thereby I play a very small part in simplifying your lives for the better.

V: And you have likened farming as a recreational activity?? SERIOUSLY?? It's recreational only for rich ppl who automatically get benefits from the Govt. WITHOUT WORKING HARD. Not for poor farmers who sweat and break their backs. I don't have to tell u how many commit suicide. U know it better than me.

The finale in this series begins now:

S: I am not lying when I told you that the benefits came automatically. O can prove it. Farming for ME is a recreational activity I never said it is for others. Similarly , ishing for me is recreational while for others it is bread and butter. For me providing a part for the electrical infrastructure or for a car is not recreational. But for you when you drive for pleasure using my product is recreational. Everybody WORKS HARD. I don't sit and eat and it is not that everything comes to me automatically. So don't compare cheese and chalk. We are here to talk about game hunting/fishing for recreational purpose. Let's stick to it. In my opinion as a recreational activity fishing, hunting, farming and horticulture all come under the same banner. Since as per you it is right only to eat Non veg in extremely cold climate(I am assuming so since I haven't got a reply yet) you will not understand the similarity. So keep supporting Vegetarianism but don't think that what you have said is right. It may right from your point of view but it is not for me. As i said above- "What is food for me is poison to you".

V: You are extremely kind enough to give me sufficient anti-matter to annihilate your distorted perspective and understanding of whatever I have said nt only from one front but all fronts. Pls refrain and restrain yourself from commenting until u have heard me out completely. Unless u r a thorough idiot (which I knw u r not), kindly hve the patience and most importantly, tolerance till I say I have finished. Fair enough, right?

1) "Don't compare chalk & cheese' - I have not said anywhere that u don't work hard or getting benefits from the govt. Everything was voluntarily said by u in ur desperate need to prove ur 'walk the talk' concerning the farming which U had brought it up on ur own accord. In fact, it was you who gave the analogy that farming is a recreational activity. I didn't say it. So, I will save ur precious time by sharing ur own words as I respect not only others' time but mine as well..

FYI

 2) I never said anywhere that u were lying when u said u got benefits from the Govt. Then, why is that u r saying u will prove it? I don't doubt it as I know how much ur dad had bent his back and gave his everything to ur company. I also know that ur personal dream and want it to be in the stock market. So, why in the god-damn hell will I even think to say that u aren't working hard. But, ppl may start doubting or questioning the intentions if a person is unnecessarily trying hard to convince them just like an accomplished salesperson who tries to persuade the customers with their smooth talk to buy their product.

3) Achuchooooo..U don't sit and eat huh? Udamba Paathuko machi....Science categorically dictates that it's bad for health if a person walks/ runs and eats. It's ur wish. Take care of ur health da. Only then, u can achieve ur dream with full flying colors.

4) "Since as per you it is right only to eat Non veg in extremely cold climate(I am assuming..".....Sadly, you have already assumed and confirmed ur false belief for the second time. U want to know when was the first time? You can go up the thread and check ur words. No. Wait. Better. I will save ur time by sharing this.

I have already articulated that only inane dunderheads will say such a thing. But, since u r stupidly relentless and asking a journalistic-kinda question time after time for this irrelevant and bagatelle point when we are here to talk about game hunting/fishing for recreational purpose and you are not sticking to it by asking trifling issue that's not pertinent to the subject matter under consideration - let me also repay u in the same currency with interest as bonus.

S:  I have already said what I have said. As a recreation farming is similar to fishing, hunting etc. Are you going to dispute it? I keep asking you the question for a straight answer because you refuse to put it in simple English and words like "No eating Non veg in hot places is also not wrong". When you refuse to give a simple straight answer it is clear your motives are hidden. Spare me your sarcasm. U attacked me personally saying about not working hard and now your saying some sarcastic gibberish about standing and eating. And I have a big question to ask:- u said killing for monetary purpose is wrong. So what will you say about butchers who kill for money? Are they committing a sin?

V: 5) Whenever I give out my opinion, I don't expect others to follow it. If you feel I am making more sense than most people, you are free to follow it else I don't give a rat fuck. But since you have specifically asking my opinion on this trivial thing? Let me just repose a simple question back to u again. Supposing I say Yes, will people stop eating non-veg from today? Or supposing I say No, will people not stop eating non-veg from today? I am just an inconsequential, insignificant, small, tiny, educated and tax-paying citizen in a corner of Chennai. My opinion on this isn't going to change a damn. Why...Even the most powerful person in our country - Modi Ji - He appeals time and again to all of us from not littering the roads with waste or urinating or spitting in public - How many give respect to his words and follow it to make our country a cleaner and better nation? The moment he turns his back, even those who give nice smiling fotos with him, they might throw paper cups and plastic on the roads. For the elected representative of a large and vast country, this is how it pans out. Then, who am I? No one in relation and before those who are powerful with money, power and influence. But, still to answer ur question, the Constitution of India is bigger than any of us. Whatever rocks ones' boats as long as u r well-within the laws and not hurt and harm others.

S: Since you have clearly attacked me on front I will also give you back with full compound kanduvatti interest. If you say killing an animal for monetary purpose is sin then you are calling all butchers as sinners. If that is your opinion then I'm sorry my friend you are a fanatic Hindu right wing activist and I can't argue with fanatics. I'm not asking you the question to follow your words. U know very well I will never do that. I am asking it to prove your bias. And because of that bias you will not understand what the other side thinks. Either you rephrase your statement about "killing animals for recreational and monetary purpose" as "killing animals for a sadistic pleasure" or you accept your fanatism. Either way it's your choice. I have heard you out fully and even after all my contentions you stick to your one sided theory which in my opinion is against non vegetarians. So it is very clear that your intentions are just more than just condemning killing animals for pleasure.

V: Can hear u a cling-cling-chung sound? That's my heart breaking, machi. :'( :'( You didn't have even the patience and tolerance to hear me out fully and once again, proved urself on ur own volition that u r a complete idiot by urself stating that I am hiding behind motives..hidden..secret etc etc....based on ur unwarranted assumptions. So, who is biased here? 

V: ."Spare me your sarcasm. U attacked me personally saying about not working hard".....I never had sarcasm when I said it. Just cared about ur well- being when u said u don't sit and eat. This is precisely what I said u have a distorted perspective when I said earlier. FYI

S: Any sane person reading this thread would have found that out by now. And I'm not an idiot. I'm not a lunatic to not find the sarcasm in that stand and eat comment. Don't think people are idiots and dumb.

V: BY the way, I didn't attack u personally. Y would I do that when I know how run and drive around to Korea for upgrading your machines and streamlining ur process, machi. It was ur own words and I rephrased it as "without working hard'. Infact , ur exact words were " btw, I DIDNT TOIL HARD"... ur words...and i just said it as U DIDNT WORK HARD..... the spirit of the meaning is the same....

Cutting down to the pith by removing all the unessentials,  and then, those were:

S: Give me straight answers to these if you can. No GRE gibberish or beating about bush. I want a straight shootout. 

V: Sigh. Double Sigh. Heavy Sigh.

I am really disappointed and dejected when u said "crying victory". It just shows how u r taking up this discussion, machi. I am viewing it as an opportunity to expand the truth to its logical conclusion. But, u just want to hunt down a harmless and innocent person as me like an animal in a wild reserve by directly stating and indirectly intending victory and defeat in this stimulating exchange of ideas and views. That's how I am seeing it. But, U? Ppl will understand that u r tyrannically viewing me as a quarry in ur hunting expedition, machi. :( :( 

I have clearly stated that kindly give me time to fully respond and then u say urs. But, like the debates in Prime Time News Channels, you have nt shown any basic sensitivity, consideration, respect and courtesy and have simply gone on a lengthy tirade in ur blind and hasty pursuit to character assassinate me by calling me names like 'fanatic' based on your whims and fancies even when I well-intended that u should take care of your health but u accused me of 'being sarcasm'... :( :'(

I didn't even finish my points and you had started to make accusations against me like a seasoned politician. Most well-educated ppl will infer your rash act as an uncivil, uncultured, brash and uncouth behavior. Don't blame me for what most people will infer, machi. I exclusively asked you to give me some time until I had made my points before u post ur comments. But, did u wait? U JUMPED THE GUN and IN COMPLETE CONSCIOUS DENIAL THAT U DID IT by explicitly, shamelessly and brazenly saying "I haven't jumped any gun boss" - that's what whoever is reading will make out of it. Pls don't ever ever put the blame on me that I didn't ask you to wait. You Jumped the GUN even before I began my point 5 

FYI

If you have waited till I had completed my point 5 and then made ur gibberish shootouts, you will know that I have already answered ur 'butcher monatery' when I said in point 5 itself that our Constitution is bigger than all of us. You didn't have the patience to wait till I finished my points but jumped the gun, boss. By the way, when I said monatery in my status, I intended poaching where ppl slaughter elephants, rhinos etc for their ivories, tusks. I was going to say it in point 6 - But, U JUMPED THE GUN and INTERRUPTED IT. Only those demented and retarded will have a preposterous line of reasoning to unjustifiably assume things according to their comforts and conveniences. 

U r a state-ranker in both 10th and 12th, boss. So, u r more intelligent than me. But, even an ordinary person with basic intellectual capacity will have understood by now that I see plants, animals or milk as food and means to survival and that I am not against hunting if it is for food. I have already and transparently stated it as well previously.

ManageFYI again

But, when a person is guided by animalistic instincts and blood-thirsty attitudes to harm, hurt, maim, mutilate, injure, wound, bruise, stab, shoot or lacerate, they will easily lose track of things coz of their intensely and deeply parochial mindsets by heartlessly hunting down innocuous and harmless beings like me by making vitriolic and waspish adumbrate statements like "Being sarcastic", "Fanatic"

Yes..Some words here are fucking GRE and I Rat-Fucking use it only when it's absolutely apt unlike a gibberish line of nonsensical, absurd and block-headed reasoning by jumping the gun and then completely oblivious to it.

U still haven't given me straight answers as to who gave u the damn moral authority to mercilessly kill animals in a wild reserve? 

Are u God?
 
Are the animal's parents? 

You cannot answer it. Can you? 

Don't give me ludicrous bull-shitting responses like rules are there in reserves- THEY ARE MAN-MADE. If those are created for the thrills of being pleased with the sight and smell of blood rather than for food and survival, it's nothing short of savagery and worse than animals.

Thanks for your invigorating and unwarranted stabbing slurs like "Being Sarcasm" and "Fanatic". Cannot blame u too. Our Ancient Forefathers (Read: Hinduism) were super-intelligent and wise when they stated that food influences the behavior of a person and you have just authoritatively proven it through your excessive ardor for unreasonable assumptions, extraordinarily unsound stereotypes and well-grounded invalid arguments that still doesn't answer who gave you the moral authority to kill animals? 

Closing the thread. 
And thank you again from the bottom of my heart for your "Being Sarcasm", "Fanatic" when I wasn't. 
It means so much to me. 
NOW, THIS IS SARCASM.

S: Thanks for closing the thread. There is no point arguing with someone who gives answers only when cornered like when I cornered you for answers. Till that point I never got answers only vague gibberish. And if what I have told is gibberish and invalid arguments so are yours. As per me opinion if someone reads your thread they will know the bias I was trying to prove. Don't tell me you are harmless and I am full of malice. When u give a answer only at the point of being cornered there is nothing to say you are harmless. It was you who started calling me an idiot and as a person not working hard etc etc. So it is tit for Tat. U want a war I will give you one. That's me. And one word of advice don't use this GRE gibberish to disguise and escape from addressing a point head on. And who gave authority to kill an animal in reserve I have already answered it. It is fucking Law of both society and nature. The same law that u had conveniently used to bypass the monetary question before being forced to answer. The same law of nature that lets u farm a carrot and pluck it and eat. Period. Thanks for reminding me that there are people who still call others idiot in public and then cry about being attacked and abused.

V: Thanks all for your valuable inputs👍👍Anyone from yours or my friend's list who, by chance, stumbles upon this enriching and enlightening archipelago of comments, you can come to Ur own natural conclusion whether I had exclusively termed anyone as "idiot" or "full of malice" or made aggressive statements as "U want war. I give one". You r more discerning and percipient than me. I leave it to Ur wise and immaculate judgment. Once again, Thanks all🙏🙏 It's been my greatest pleasure to have had this exceptionally engaging and exceedingly nourishing discussion.

V: And, I am sincerely sorry if anyone including Shivraj Subbiah had perceived that I was calling them inappropriate names. That was never ever my intention until it was brought to my attention and notice of 'tit-tat' comment by my good friend. My deepest regrets if anyone else had wrongly perceived like it.


                                                                    X---Concluded---X

PS: 

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for having the rich heart to spar e some moments and read through this seemingly never-ending thread despite your hectic schedule and busy day. With technology at your fingertips, you are not only learned but also world-savvy. Your sensible mind knows who is right and who is restrictedly right. I place the verdict in your responsible hands.

Thank you again! 
Manage

The Struggle is Real for Truth & Opinion - Part 4

Regardless your wise intellect thinks that my friend is objectively right or I am, I don't know who has been more balanced in their and closer to the truth. I leave it to you.

But, what I can cent percent vouchsafe for this fruitful conversation is that it will be a definite delight to those who are pervious to fresh perspectives and accessible to acceptance of the right contradictory and conflicting existing conditioned mindset of the individual. 

In fact, this transference of mutual knowledge sharing really challenged my impersonal interpretation of the reality (on this issue) from end-to-end in a directly unambiguous and subtly thought-provoking manner.

Why I said subtly thought-provoking is that anyone can be ricocheted from their focus through highly cogent and coherent arguments. But, it takes real mental clarity and fortitude to see through one's leisurely pleasure and enjoyment that caters one's whims and fancies than viewing the fine line between right and wrong.

Continuing from where I left in my previous post,

S: One man's food is another man's poison. You are entitled to your beliefs and I am to mine. There is no universal truth my friend. Only your truth and my truth.

V: That's the whole problem, machi...."Your truth. My truth" when there is also something a common and universal truth that's applicable to each and everyone....Most of them don't understand that....How do I make it clear? Okay...Got an example....Let's say....There's a person 'A'...A sees another person 'B' who is different from A and others and jumps to the conclusion that B is an anti-social element based on A's biases and prejudices without understanding that every person is different and unique in the world....If A goes to the Police alone and reports it, they will laugh in his face...A knows this very well....So, A calls up and convinces other people by frightening them and conjuring up vivid images how B is being different and is a confirmed anti-social element like a criminal ......Now, the Police will take action as it's not just A's words but also others...and they start their own investigation on B....They find out that B is as normally different as everyone else....And when they confront A and others for their misinformation.....what will A say...."I was just being a good citizen by reporting my truth who wanted to prevent bad things to the society"....But, is A really justified to say this when he has made a mockery out of the hard-working Police when they had other important things to tackle and real culprits to catch? To have a doubt is fine as everyone is not God but a human being but to convince other people (Read: when they didn't think about it) that a real risk and threat exists from B when there was none in reality, can A actually hide behind "my truth and good citizen" reason? Think about it.

V: This is just an imagined scenario...But, with so much negativity, cynical attitudes and intolerance in our society, it may or can become a reality as well...But, let me give u real-life example too..... You have your adorable daughter, right? Let's say she asks for a beautiful dog as a bday gift....You also buy her a Pug or Golden Retriever or whatever that your daughter had requested......You take the dog for a walk and some unruly ruffians throw stones at your beloved pup to such an extent that it bleeds severely........If u ask the young rascals why they did it, they will probably say "We were having fun. It's my truth"....So, according to your logic of "Your truth. My Truth"...., will u be quiet and not take any action against them for hurting your pet which u have bought with ur hard-earned money and most importantly, your daughter cares and loves very much? It's your logic, machi.....Your truth. My truth....when u have only said earlier that u will go to hunting reserve and kill animals for pleasure and entertainment and enjoy for pleasure....that's the same thing that these young rascals have done to your pet dog too...

S: I'm not talking about hunting pets. I guess I made it clear that I will hunt in a gaming reserve. U don't hunt dogs. U hunt rabbit/deer and animals that are called "game". In fact we use dogs as companion for hunting. That's exactly what I am telling you. Koreans love dog meat they breed And slaughter it. But almost 50% of Korean households have a pet dog. Does it mean the eat their own pets. No. There is always a demarcation which humans with the extra sense of perception can always see. It's stupid to compare pets And game meat. To your analogy example about pet dog being tortured by ruffians and me hunting a game. Let me make it simple. There is a difference between a woman in a house and a prostitute. Now if someone went to a prostitute and asked her the rate there is nothing to be done. But if someone does the same to a decent woman in a household he is getting a straight admission ticket to the ortho section of a hospital. That's the difference. Now you can ask me what makes a deer/rabbit akin to a prostitute. It is the law my friend. Law set by the society and nature. Nature itself encourages humans to eat non veg as the part of food chain. So it is natural to eat non veg and not some sin. So don't give me this shit of non vegetarians being barbarians/torturous people etc. For your kind info the majority of people in world are non vegetarians. So my friend we are not barbarians who love torture. And btw do you know we don't torture the game in hunting. We make the kill swift so swift that it is just a matter of seconds. If we don't then some lion or cheetah or another carnivore will eventually kill it. By your logic of sin the world should be extinct of all carnivores. Isn't there something wrong with your logic that it defies the very nature of our world.

V: Check out my first comment to Aarathi Subramanian in the thread for what I have said about food and nature. not going to repeat it again.

V: U have yourself accepted that only IF ppl knows the demarcation, they will not hurt, harm and kill in the normal course of things. U will not do it, my friend. But, the world is not composed of 750 crore Shivraj who knows the demarcation and restrains from killing ppl or brutalizing animals. But, how many will know the exact demarcation and not go with the flow of things to commit atrocious acts in the heat of things? It's a stupid example to bring the Koreans in this case. It's their culture. There's a wealth of difference between a person who says nicely that it's wrong to litter and everyone shd throw it in the garbage but dumps the waste as soon as the camera turns away and a person who actually discards the rubbish in the thrash even when no one is watching them.

V: So, U mean to say that the animals U kill aren't the children of some other animal? Check out elephants. They mourn for their dead. And, only dumb fools will say that animals don't have feelings and emotions. When ruffians throw stones at the dogs, THEY ARE HURTING IT just like how U SWIFTLY KILL by Ur own admission. In fact, it's even worse and barbaric. Who gave U the moral authority to take its life? If an animal hunts and eats another, it's FOR FOOD and SURVIVAL and not indulge in bloodthirsty enjoyment as u have given rationale as "game" etc etc.

S: Boss I guess hunting is not allowed in India and even in world it is available only in select gaming reserves. So there is already a demarcation. Well regarding your opposition for hunting. We eat what we hunt. So in a way, it is for food. Similar is the sport of fishing. Killing an animal while hunting is not as barbaric as a slaughterhouse. You have never been to a slaughterhouse which is why you can't tell the difference. And fyi man is also an animal and for non vegetarians, it is food and survival. You shall never understand the view point whatever I tell you simply because you are from another world. The demarcation is clearly there. However of course you can fish anywhere in India. But catching a fish and then eating it is a feeling you cannot understand. It is similar to a farmer toiling in field and eating the bounty. And hunting is very similar to fishing. Except of course the terrain and game are different. I also have a paddy field and have personally cultivated there. Only the past year I didn't cultivate. I even got compensation from Govt for loss during floods as millions of other farmers. So I know the feeling. So don't tell me that it is different. Barbaric is like hurting a pet or a harmless street dog. But of course that even an imbecile would say it is wrong and there are laws to punish culprits.

V: Read my status Machi - "Killing for recreational and monetary"....I have never ever mentioned that U shdnt take it as food for survival. Did u even read my first comment to Aarathi and read my status properly? Only inane dunderheads will just stick to their point of view by discarding science and keep repeating that onr shd take only plant-based food in extremely cold places where U need to have some fat for energy.

S: Hunting and fishing is also killing for recreational purpose boss. Similarly even farming and horticulture is for a person like me. But the satisfaction I get when I eat rice from my field, the fish I catch and the rabbit I hunt is what differentiates. It is not barbaric to get a satisfaction when you actually literally earn your food. "Plant based food in extremely cold places". So is it wrong or right to eat non veg in a hot place??

V: There is a clear-cut demarcation between hunting for pleasure and hunting for food. Hunting for only food - Yes. But, If you are doing it for pleasure and then taking Ur "game" as food as an accessory, no imbecile has any rights as you have other abundant or at least adequate animals to eat that has been killed by others. And, for Ur satisfaction, aren't U paying money that's hard-earned to buy them in the first place?

V: Ha ha ha...I know u will ask this question...that's I have cleanly and clearly said only inane dunderheads will say it.

V: Between, everyone, at least the sane and sensible, can see through your reinforcement example of farming when U said it before and the sympathetic value created for urself by stirring up the farmer and how U had toiled hard and got benefits from the govt, Machi. People are smart. No one should consider or assume that others are plain fools.

S:  I asked you whether you think it is right to eat non veg in a hot place as you have only justified eating in extremely cold climate.The pleasure of hunting/fishing is not in search/wait and kill/catch but after that. I hope you understand that. If people are smart then they will know that fishing/hunting is much alike to farming for recreational purpose. Of course, they are not fools. But you still haven't given a straight answer to my question:- is it wrong or right in your opinion to eat non veg in hot places?

S: And btw I didn't toil hard for benefits from Govt. It was allocated automatically to every cultivated land.

S: And of course people who eat non veg and love it will automatically understand that the emotion of eating rice from ur own field and the fish u catch is the same. So I guess every non-vegetarian who reads my comment will connect to it.

V: Boss U never understood what I have been saying. I have never said anywhere that it's wrong to hunt/fish when it's for survival. It becomes wrong, only if it's done for pleasure and to experience the exhilaration of killing a being. So, don't give me this shit of non-veg connecting with you. You shall never understand the viewpoint whatever Intelligence you simply because you are from another world.

S: Again I have to repeat the same thing. Let me make it a bit clearer to you this time. The pleasure or exhilaration is not in killing but in the sense of emotion that the food ur having that day came from your own hands rather than bought from market. And from what I gather that emotion can never be understood by you simply because you consider meat and rice as different commodities while I consider them as one.

V: And you have likened farming as a recreational activity?? SERIOUSLY?? It's recreational only for rich ppl who automatically get benefits from the Govt. WITHOUT WORKING HARD. Not for poor farmers who sweat and break their backs. I don't have to tell u how many commit suicide. U know it better than me.

And with this cliffhanger of a question that was posited by me when my friend momentarily lost his sound touch by linking farming as a recreational activity, I will conclude this entire thread in Part 5.

                         

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The Struggle is Real for Truth & Opinion - Part 3

Unless you are truly cool, calm, composed and collected, there is every possibility that the other person's point will be wrongly interpreted or falsely inferred when you are trying to ascertain the truth in its full glory and splendor particularly when there is a blazing and energetic display of logic and reason in the course of sharing of ideas and knowledge between and amongst the people.

Whether the other person is right or wrong in their splintered view of the whole reality is an entirely different proposition altogether - it just shows their way of thinking that's strongly influenced by a variety of significant factors such as culture, religion, interests, likes, dislikes, preferences, attitudes, beliefs, personality, opinions etc. 

You really can't and shouldn't blame them as they have been brought up in a specific manner under a blinkered set of circumstances even if they are wrong in their world-view. Depending on the person, either try to enlighten them by removing their mental fogginess like a sun dispelling the cloud or let them be happy in their muddled thought process. There is no way you can straighten a bent dog's tail - at least naturally!

But, should these numerous determinants interfere like an officious salesperson when you have a rally and volley of mutual exchange of ideas especially when you know that many of us see only a partial segment of the larger reality and insanely yet sanely possess it as a gospel truth? 

On top of it, most of us lack the necessary discipline of acceptable patience and tolerance when someone gives a contrary facet that challenges our pre-existing beliefs and opinions which we have falsely accepted and held it as the absolute truth when no one has the full concatenation of the train of thought from start to end in its entirety?

It's in this highly polemical environment that I had a fascinating and eye-opening verbal fusillade with one of my good friends on Facebook to triumphantly reach the truth on one of the post.

Whether we reached or not, I leave it to you after you had finished reading the complete thread.

The status is as follows:

" Killing for recreational and monetary purposes - both humans and animals - is an unpardonable and a macabre sin. Anyone disagrees to this is nothing short of an abhorrent and abject person.

Even in the worst-case scenario, if an evil and vile person intends to destroy a harmless snake, then kill it, burn it and scatter the ashes else there is the remotest possibility that the badly wounded snake will slowly recuperate, steadily recover, heal completely and come back at its tormentors at such speed, agility, heightened intelligence and precise venom that it's like moving through air.

Nature has bountiful lessons to propine us when we keep our eyes open."

Below, A is my relative, S is my good friend whom I referred above and V is myself.

A:

I think it should say killing by humans.. Coz kill and eat is a part of life in nature

V: Whether Veg or Non-Veg, even we humans kill and eat....Yes..We vegetarians as well are no exceptions as it's absolutely necessary like breathing air.....Only a fool will be in denial of the basic fact....But, I'm sure u also know about Sattvic, Rajasic and Tamasic ways of how a food plays a vital and major part in shaping a person's mentality...Some dismiss it as a mere pseudo-science without fully understanding how it impacts the lifestyle of a person...Our ancient ancestors (read: Hinduism) were super-intelligent and wise when it came to the proper functioning of a person at an individual and societal level...Sadly, we corrupted it for our ulterior selfish movies and now in a state of no return...

V: But, yes....I will make it more clearly now as Killing for recreational and monetary purposes - both humans and animals! ...Is that okay ? 

:)

So, you think this was the riveting discussed I spoke about? 

Fat chance!

It began as innocent as a drizzle like this:

S: Poda...enakku hunting pidikum...in fact I am planning my next trip to a gaming reserve during hunting season...enna periya sin mannu nu...by your logic even killing ants, cockroach and lizards is sin....intha sin gun ellam summa...poi life ah jolly ah enjoy pannu.... 

V: You forgot mosquitoes also....by the way, there are several ways by which an individual can enjoy life without hurting and harming others by living and letting other beings live....if it's Ur idea of having fun is to torture and torment animals and birds, that's Ur conscious choice....pls don't bring in saying Zoo also has animals kept in captivity...

This was just the lull before the storm.

As time progressed, our discussion, slowly and steadily, became into a good shower and ultimately, it culminated into a raging cyclone punctuated with flashy lightning and growling thunder.

                                                            X---To Be Concluded---X

PS:

To preserve the nativity of the discussions' talking points, I didn't translate them into English from Tamil. Do forgive for the inconvenience.