Thor:Ragnarok - A Hilarious THORny affair between the siblings

Thor (T) is taken as a captive and imprisoned by Ragnarok (R). T prods R by casual banter. The deliverance and style indicated that this movie was going to be different from the erstwhile T films. The final nail in the coffin was when T addressed his skeletal companion in the cage and you knew 100% sure that Thor: Ragnarok (T:R) is going to be something special in the Marvel Universe. 

Is it better than CapAm? No. 

The Avengers? Nope. 

Antman? Nada. 

GoTG 1? Anti-Yes.

Deadpool? Certainly Zilch.

Logan? Hell No.

Then, how is T:R special?

The previous 2 stand-alone installments of Thor were only mediocre. But, what makes T:R a really enjoyable ride is that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Take for example the scene where the One-Eyed Thor sits on the chair in the spaceship and his friends address him as the King. Chris Hemsworth simply turns and gives his fellow Asgardians an unceremonious and easy-going wave to them instead of being stiff, affected and formal.

As far as the story is concerned, you know that Thor will defeat his sister by the end. There is no surprise in that inevitability. However, the real party is in the narration which is richly filled with sparkling fun and scintillating colors.

When Loki says "I'm Loki and not Lackey", it's a scream of a dialogue. I will do great injustice to the witty script-writers who made use of the "Rock-Scissors" joke to such a brilliant effect. Freaking fantastic. Likewise, the way T checks whether he is the real Loki or not was gut-busting. It was a good thing that the Grandmaster didn't give the moniker "Sparkles" instead of "Lord of Thunder" when T was introduced in the fighting den with Hulk!

Speaking of Hulk, it will be extremely interesting to see whether the Green Monster would turn into the 7-PhD Mark Ruffalo again in the forthcoming films. Hulk had a decent enough screen space and time alongside Thor and Loki. The entire sequence of Thor and Hulk in the kingdom of the GrandMaster was simply superb especially the gladiator-ish physical show of strength between the "Strongest Avenger" and Strongest Avenger.

Loki was up to his own usual self without which T:R may have been a bit boring despite its raving funniness. As ever, he's the central component on whom the movie makes its twists and turns although T is the hero. In the end, Loki stops for a moment when he sees the Tesseract in the vault before he brings back Ragnarok to life again to destroy Hela. We have to patiently wait and watch to know as to whether he couldn't resist its temptation though knowing Loki's shady character, we know what he would have done.

As we are on the topic of Hela, the screenwriters ensured that she didn't have a dragged and extended backdrop but a crisp and brief story of her life. The way she stopped Mjolnir and crushed it to pieces was the highlight that even left T in a state of shock and suspension of astonishment. She had quite a Wonder Woman-esque stunts but being the Goddess of Death, her character could have been utilized much more.

Nevertheless, there were no unnecessary quips and ripostes when the last remaining Valkyrie meets Hela in the climax portions. I had the foreboding sense of intuition that these two would lock themselves in a verbal torpedo and stretch the movie's time. Luckily, sanity prevailed and everyone got down to actual business by fighting each other.

That said and done, T:R totally belonged to T for the way in which he transformed himself from being dependent on his unliftable hammer by others to realizing his true potential as the God of Thunder. It was electrifying, pun intended, when he has a drastic changeover as soon as he is able to put to best use of his powers with the banshee-screaming music of Wonder Woman playing the background. Besides his terrific bod, Thor was as handsome as a Greek God, though he is Norse, with his hair-cut.

Worthy mentions to the cinematographer for the way they captured the lush fields and peaceful oceans of Norway. Also, the straight view of the Rainbow Bridge connecting it to other realms was spectacular as a glittering platter under the shiny sun. There was also one scene where Hela's horns' shadow was shown where the cinematographer's skills were put to great effect. It really created a feeling of ominousness.

The only problem which was there in the entire film was the lack of emotional depth. It took itself a little too relaxed than striking a balance between fun and seriousness. Similarly, the movie also seems to have been tremendously inspired by GoTG 2 like the way Mjolnir flies and trashes others akin to Yondu's arrow. In the same way, the amazeballs of a grand send-off with fireworks for Yondu which we saw in GoTG 2 was also replicated in T:R as the Valkyrie alighted the spaceship with the pyrotechnics ablaze behind her.

With all its flaws, T:R is still a thoroughly entertaining humor fest that will make you smile with all its jokes like referring Stan Lee as "a creepy man"

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Moving from objectivity to subjectivity, my personal favorite scene is where Loki screams with full vehemence "THAT'S how it feels" when Thor was bashed by Hulk from side to side in the ring. It was an incredible touch of ingenuity on the part of the director and script-writers for having made wise use of the plot shown in The Avengers where Loki was smashed by the Hulk. That complete scene was transpiring in front of my eyes when Loki uttered the to-be famous words.

Ideas Ideas Everywhere - Part 4

It's easy to lose track of your focus and wander astray when you are doing something. That concentration and attention become increasingly hard to maintain when you are involved in a verbal volleyball that is based on your core values and principles. The true hallmark of a person is to achieve the truth of the matter concerning the subject at hand rather than pretentiously or outlandishly or deceptively make statements to markedly lower the other person's stance just to prove one's point and fortify their self-image. If a conclusion can't be reached through consensus despite solid arguments embedded in facts, it's better to accept the prevailing stalemate and proceed their respective ways than using cheap, below-the-belt tactics to usurp the discussion in one's way.

By saying this, I am not saying explicitly or implicitly that the discussion I had was destructively heading in that direction. All I wanted to say is that when there is an exchange of ideas and knowledge, it is imperative that things will spiral out of control. But, how well you manage the negative sentiments without besmirching the other person using derogatory or pejorative remarks is a skill that must be constantly and continuously mastered if your purpose is to determine the exact nature of reality that is free from personal glory or bias. In case your purpose is only to self-exalt yourself, then it defeats the very existence of open discussion as the discussion is already lost before the start of it since the individual has come with a premeditated agenda to self-elevate themselves before others instead of channelizing and revolving around the subject of controversy and debate.   

Continuing from where we left from the previous part,

K: So you mean to say....the product can be shitty.....but marketing is enough to keep up sales?

V: Similarly, without planting a seed, you cannot expect a tree. That is what Modi Ji is doing. The seed is being put under the ground. But, without conducive environment for the seed to grow into a profitable tree, it is of no avail. I never ever said that...If not exceptional, one should at least have a decent product that caters to the investors or customers requirements.From the investors' POV, it's about ROI...and customer's angle, it's how the product satisfies the needs and solves the problem pa.

K: Exactly......there is no conducive atmosphere in the country to reap benefits of his so-called "relationship building". It's like those salespeople who try and avail their allowances for business meetings while they are going on a holiday but posing it to be a business meeting...

V: First of all, the image of India should be changed from obsequious and second-rate country to being a confident, assertive and as equal to the first-rate countries of the world. That's what is being done here. Our country's image has been tarnished beyond repair like ppl view the entire India as a poor country. The Social Media and Tech usage helps it to revamp the bad image. Removing the red tapes by degrees, enabling transparency, ease of doing business, GST measures etc. acts as a cohesive unit and supports the good image that is being created by Modi Ji that will augur well in the long-term. By saying this, I am not saying that everyone will become a crorepati in the future. But, it will definitely ameliorate the existing worse-to-worst situations that are prevailing in the different parts of the country.

By the way, pls don't go into GST. I am well aware of the condition at grassroots that IT is going to be a problem in the short-time. How short? That must be seen.

The effectiveness of GST can be appraised only after a couple of years as ppl has to adjust to the new system. That will take close to one year. The benefits of GST can be seen only when all the businesses move seamlessly like the ants following one another pa. Until then, my lips are sealed and will wait and watch how the transition takes place although it is laudable effort to implement at the current scenario when ppl are already used to a certain system and to make them accommodate to the new system will be the monstrous challenge.

And I am extremely sorry if you had perceived to be hurt, directly or indirectly, by my cogent arguments. My intention was only to expand our discussion to reach a common ground. I wouldn't have said anything but I considered you as a sane, sensible, reasonable and knowing you from our DAV days, I just took the liberty to say things which I normally wouldn't have said to others as most of them who call themselves rationalists are under the apparent apparels of rationalism. It's like to be called a rationalist is a trend or fad.

K: Don't worry I don't get hurt for such small things..... GST as system will definitely take time to stabilize.....but that doesn't mean that the tax brackets are rightfully allotted...... tell me.....is kumkum more necessary for a woman or sanitary pads? I feel this only shows how India is being led on the path of regress.....

V: Emotions stamp out logic like an angry elephant. To a woman, especially Indian, marriage is a personally emotional experience. I am sure you will know it better. But, to a woman from a village, her husband is everything. It's her survival. Correct? And her kumkum is the ultimate certificate to womanhood. That's how they attach significance and perceive it. Can you or me or Modi Ji change it? No. So, from their mindset, kumkum becomes their life itself rather than sanitary pads for which they can always find alternate or substitute products in the market unlike their husbands. If their husbands die, they are seen as a harbinger of bad luck and taboo by the society. Societal rules has deemed it like that. Unless a big catastrophic event as the Dinosaurs get wiped out and someone re-writes the complete set of rules, no one can change the rotten-corrupt-to-the-core -hypocritical rules for the emotionally-charged up nature is hardwired into their systems. Of course, exceptions are there. Scientifically and Rationally speaking, Yes. SPs should have been given more weight to improve the overall hygiene. Unfortunately, not all ppl think like you and me pa. Instead of seeing it as regress, it is a strategic positive appeasement on the part of BJP coz if the kumkum prices soar higher than an eagle, then they would have faced severe whiplash during the elections. I am neither supporting nor decrying the move by the BJP. Just giving the picture AS-IS from my understanding. Maybe, they would drop the rates for SPs. Who knows. Only they know pa.

K:  Kumkum is ultimate certificate for womanhood....? Seriously ???? And menstruation is not ?......if this is not regressive thought....then what else is..... isn't it evident that this gov't is playing "bloody" politics to just win votes and take the country further into regression..... on one hand you have slogans like "beti bachao beti padhao" and on the other hand you reduce womanhood to kumkum ?!! If the gov't itself is not able to think progressively and wants the country's women to be oppressed with such a patriarchal mentality......how will women be empowered......? Obviously, they'll be used like tissue paper to wipe men's sexual needs and thrown away like filth......isn't that how rapes/gang rapes are rampant in the country? And only Hindu women are the ones whose "womanhood is certified by kumkum".......but every single woman in country bleeds...... shame on this gov't......seriously!!!

And pls stop calling this an emotion women have......it's forced on them..... women in villages especially..... who are married off even before they attain puberty...... against their wish......and enslaved in the name of marriage......

V: Ahem...Madam..nan maatum yenna sonnen..Society has imposed unnecessary rules on women which majority has no option but to kadapidichifying nu dana solirken......pls read the previous comment carefully if u haven't....Understand one thing...The Govt. did not form or frame the societal rules pa.....It has been there for centuries and centuries and passed on generation after generation like a leaf on a flowing river....In fact, I have also said that even Modi Ji cannot do about it in the earlier post itself....If you feel they are doing politics with it, you should ask the concerned person and not me......What I have said is the objective reality that is persisting in the society as such.......you cannot change it....I cannot change it...idhayum nan ponna post laye soliten pa....I know u will bring about the topic of "What about another woman in other religions"? adhuku dan ..I had already said "Maybe they would drop the rates for SPs. Who knows. Only they know" nu sonnen......

Our forefathers, Read: Hinduism!, had put the rules in place for an effective functioning of the society...In fact, women were given greater voice and role...It has degraded with time to the extent that they have become like a gilugilupu bomma....all we can do is change our own perspectives on life and lead the right life.....Mathavangaluku solli puriya vekardhu koodu ipo elam thappu aagudhu...The only reason why I am still continuing this thread is that you don't claim to be a rationalist like some ppl but u r really trying to be one seeing both sides of the coin and having moral outrage on witnessing the smelly drainage that has percolated our society pa.

K:  I am only concerned about the path the govt is adopting......if a country has regressive idelogies.....it's the government's responsibility to change that and lead the people on a progressive path.....not feed fodder to the regression...... going by your point.....looks like manual scavenging, untouchability, female infanticide and many other social evils might never come to an end..... the govt will probably use all these to gain votes in elections..... then how can we be first-rate country ?

Sanitary pads are a means to women's personal hygiene...... if women/half the population are gonna be suffering from bad health due to infections and unclean conditions......how will this country be a first rate country.......shouldn't sanitary pads been a priority rather agarbathis and kumkum which serve the purpose of Hindu regression? Why has this gov't lost its priorities ?

V: Okay...Just like IT, Manufacturing etc. is bread and butter to us, politics is food to mouth for the politicians...their survival depends on it...I wholeheartedly agree that some earn their income through illegal or alternate means as well apart from their salary and allowances..but, we cannot tar everyone with the same brush just coz few politicians are corrupt...isn't it? So, like how we are having quarterly or yearly or continuous appraisal cycles, the govts also have them in the form of elections for once in 5 years...Othukriya? Doing politics with people's emotions is inevitable as society is comprised of human beings - each having their own expectations and needs.Apdi irkarcha, to what level the politics is done becomes an important question that needs to be addressed.Is it done by ignoring the welfare of the people or performed by including the well-being of all sections of the people?

If I were the Govt., I would have done politics by placing kumkum at a lower slab as my survival is dependent on my next course of meal when I know I don't have additional sources of income besides the salary taken home...But, I also know that kumkum doesn't improve the overall health of women irrespective of religion...I would have reduced the slab for sanitary pads understanding very well that my future (Read: elections) is dependent on the decision.So, a non-pussyfooting response to "Why has this gov't lost its priorities ?" is that....."You have to ask the concerned person from BJP" pa.

K: But you will still be in praise of its ridiculous methods and misplaced priorities aren't it?

V: I know u will ask this que...that's y I had said earlier itself that doing politics is something no one can prevent even if Modi Ji doesn't want to do it....If Congress comes to power, they have their politics.Similarly, AAP has their own...as the ideology and core beliefs of every party is different...and to strengthen and increase the voters' base, all the political parties have to necessarily play to the gallery...Is it right? IN the context of Politics, Yes. But, Morally? No.....However, one thing is that...There was this interview with Nirmala Sitharaman in Times Now and paraphrasing what she said is that GST council will take a look again @ all those products for which the slabs are perceived higher that pinches the majority of the ppl...

K: Hey....just because I don't like BJP's methods it doesn't mean I like congress's or AAP's ways...... but there is the difference between playing politics and bloody politics...... any party involved in dirty politics doesn't deserve to run/serve the people......

V: Idealistically, what u r saying is 💯% true..even I was of that strong moral value till some days back until I had a bout of self-realization that there is a clear-cut distinction between what the situation is and what the situation should actually be..but, Practically?? What other options are there? Just coz u and me tell "Dude..what u r doing is wrong"? Are they going to change for the better? No. Do we have the requisite credentials to be in power? No. If given a chance, will u be in politics? You can only answer this question.

K: Even if we don't say "dude what u r doing is wrong" we can at least stop saying " wow this dude is doing awesome stuff" when he is actually doing wrong isn't it?

V: Will u sit and be quiet when someone makes an unnecessary and unfounded accusation on u of something which u didn't do? Think for a moment before answering it. I am sure the answer is No, right?. This is not Mudhalvan movie or Utopia where everything is ideal or perfect. Infact, by the fag end of Mudhalvan also, even Arjun shoots Raghuvaran and tells "Kadasila yennayum arasiyal vaathiya aakiteengale"....Have you ever been the head of a team? If not, then there is no way that you could understand as to how make things amicable between the members of a team to reach an objective - I am talking about good objectives here like the target of an organization and not some frivolous team outing plans...Trust me it is difficult to get things done as I have been there in the position thrice in my life...In Modi Ji's case, it is the entire India consisting of several languages, religions, castes, states, central values of respective states....On top of it, you have external forces acting as well....If you can just imagine the stress that man must be going through, then you will understand that even nightmare will be a sweet dream! Now, you will say that was what for he was elected by the people...Correct.....But, to do the balancing act between the all the stakeholders without any short-term or long-term hazard is something which even any high-wire artist will find impossible to do it.....Considering how the opposition is doing their business, Modi Ji is the right person for the right job unless they came up with something drastic and dramatic that can alter the face of our country quickly and smoothly.If they can do it, I will be happy.But, will they? I don't know.....Until then, Modi Ji is the best bet to alleviate the misery of poor in the long-term......You are still going to go into overdrive abt Modi Ji....I am not here to convince you coz I know very well that you are not going to be for one.....

From here, the conversation switched to and fro like a Ping-Pong match until it took a decisive and dramatic turn towards "Clean Politics" 

K: Clean politics is that in which first of all a new candidate/party is not threatened by a pre-existing party...... or an election that is not rigged or bribed..... where people are not lured by money and freebies.....where all party funds and cash flow are available for scrutiny by public..... and there are transparency and honesty in the whole process.....

V: Okay...So, u mean to say that if a situation where u become a political candidate who wants to do fantastic good for the people but the people expect freebies to be given during election rallies, you will not offer them even when you know that you will lose the elections and miss the golden chance to do exceptional work that uplifts the society as a whole? For the sake of argument, many will say they won't. And still, others would give a theoretical answer to increase the aura of themselves.

K: That's how these politicians have exploited the poverty of the people...... but yes that would be my stand of clean politics..... it's the same people who got the freebies are suffering like hell because they sold their votes.....after these corrupt politicians have taken over the gov't....term after term..... clean politics would be when none of the parties indulge in such bribery and rigging..... when they compete only on the administrative capabilities and policies.....

V: we still haven't completed talking abt "clean politics"..at least yet.....U r a management grad dana...Unaku oru situation tharen...U have identified a niche area where there is an unmet need...U have a world-class pdt that will give endless happiness to your customers...But, a hardened corrupt govt. official is the one who is standing between you and your delight to the customers...He/She sees tremendous potential in ur pdt as well and wants a cut of the pfts.....Keep in mind that the pain point u r addressing is a major issue that the ppl are losing their sleep over every night....What will you do?

K: I would complain against the corrupt official...... and see to that my business process is done cleanly in every stage..... 

Though I am management grad and have been trained in business management ..... I have also learned ethics.....Well, your example just made it clear why the gov't is lenient towards Mallya, Ambani and Adani...... they have eaten their shares from these tycoons.....

V: U have given me enough fodder to dissect your statements from multiple fronts.....We will start one by one... 

1) Rationalists are open-minded people who know distinctly how to differentiate the reality and cloud cuckoo lands...I am very sad that what you have done is to mix my hypothetical situation as real and have taken it further to be as an example by linking it with the Ambanis, Mallyas and Adani..:( :'( 

2) "Would complain.....see to it biz process is clean"...These are all merely CLAIMS from your side to strengthen your previous comments...No one has ever seen you ACTUALLY do it as what I asked you was just a hypothetical situation...People are fed up of hot airs! 

3) "Eaten their shares from these tycoons".....Where is the evidence to substantiate this ridiculous statement? In your blind hatred towards Modi Ji, all you are doing is to make sweeping declarations like a seasoned opposition party leader.... 

4) Yes...NO denials...Ethics would have been a part in MBA system...But, learning is different from applying it to reality....Learning is merely intellectual... Applying it is experiential....So, are you ethical in this case? We will break it down again. 

5) There are 3 types of ppl....One who REALLY has genuine intentions to do good, the other who PRETENDS that they are virtuous but only cater to their self-interests and the third who openly says "I don't give a damn about others"...We will ASSUME that my hypothetical situation is real and your CLAIM that you are genuine and what you are by saying that you will report corrupt official....Touch your heart and practically say whether your business will see the light of the day after you have irked and ruffled the official who is sure to have political connections? Though you may not want to say it, the answer is a LOUD AND CLEAR NO. So, basically what you have done is to jeopardize your entire business to protect the vanity of your image to be moral...What I mean by this is that the official will ensure that your business does not start..Or even if it commences the operation, you will face tremendous hurdles and your world-class product will be simply sitting in the room and looking at the ceiling when the people are suffering outside coz ur product has failed to be launched and solve their problem...All this hpnd because in ur hasty pursuit to be looked upon in high moral ground and seem ethical, you placed yourself to be the number 1 priority than your customers..You can say ask where does Ethics come here...If you do ask this question, then you have not read ethics properly...Still, I will give you an example....In Medicine, doctors take the Hippocrates Oath which clearly states that even if the person is an enemy, they have to do their duty to nurse them back to health....In our hypothetical biz case, you are the doctor and you have failed in your duty to protect the customers who are unhappy and sad for their problem is unaddressed because you had chosen to complain about the corrupt official thus starting an unending negative chain of events which has resulted in your world-class products to be idle in the room......If you don't trust me, it's fine...But, ask any successful businessman how difficult it is to run their venture especially if it's a start-up and SME.......

I am just having the feeling that I have wasted my time and energy. I am not blaming you. I am taking the responsibility for having prolonged this conversation for this long. I will just say one thing to your question on Panama Papers... 

1) Did BJP pay me money to portray a positive picture of them? No.

2) Did I project a rosy image about BJP? No. 

3) Am I a BJP party worker or spokesperson? No. 

4) Am I not aware of Panama Papers or Mallya? No. 

All I did was to see the reality as such and understand Modi Ji's thought process how he is transforming or going to transform our country as a neutral, unbiased and objective person who is frustrated to the core as to why our country which has so much potential is being dragged into the abyss of hopelessness and despair.

You can now hate or love or despise Modi Ji in your own world at your own comfortable time. That's your choice. I cannot do anything about it. This has been a good discussion though. Thank you for your stimulating thoughts and relentlessly fearless arguments. You can be the leader of the opposition party to BJP...I am not pulling your leg here...It's really a compliment pa.

Like a thundering applause that drowns the performer's splendid talents on the stage, our discussion also finally braked to a stop but not without a vociferous and vehement voicing of opinions that left me with wondering whether I should have further continued this detailed and byzantine enquiry into the working of the reality. But then, it was way too long and I felt that I would be unnecessarily protracting having dived into detail covering the essential details.

Ideas - The powerful propeller which gives the humanity the much-needed thrust like a Rocket Fuel without which the Rocket of Life will be in a state of inertia and comatose rather than escaping the gravity of the Earth to discover the splendors of the magnificence of the Universe. 

                 "Ideas are no one's monopoly. Think Big. Think Fast. Think Ahead" - Dhirubhai Ambani

                                                                      

                                                       

                                                                               X---Concluded---X

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I sincerely apologize to those who didn't fully understand it as the complete series would have had a mix of Tamil and English. I wanted to preserve the nativity of the coherence of the logical connectivity of ideas and thus, I refrained from translating the Tamil portions into English when I shifted this conversation from Facebook to my blog.

Ideas Ideas Everywhere - Part 3

For those who might be confusticated as to what's the deep mess that is happening in this blog, Part 1 and Part 2 will surely alleviate your worries and keep you relaxed to enjoy the rest of Part 3.

K:  If the govt was so bothered about the physical and mental well being of its people.....it should have improved healthcare, education and employment.....in fact it should de-privatize education and healthcare...... even drinking water..... but no that is too much work for the govt isn't it.....so let's impose yoga...

V: And I have categorically stated that I am against anything that is detrimental to the ppl in any way. So, is the Govt's duty to take care of not only the biz tycoons but also those who struggle to earn their 🍞 for even one course.

K:  Fasting during Ekadashi and Shivaratri is not a part of Hinduism.....its a part of Brahminism.......Will you be able to sell your idea of yoga to a daily wage laborer? A manual scavenger? And by the way fasting for one whole month at a stretch does not give the same results as fasting during Ekadashi or shivarathri.....

V: I said I will impose Yoga if I am the Govt. Fortunately or unfortunately, I am not. So, I don't have to worry abt daily wage laborer or manual scavenger now or rack my brains to get a feasible and workable solution on how to make everyone do Yoga when I am not a politician. So now, u might say whether it's my wishful or idealistic thinking that propelled me to the idea if imposition of Yoga. No, it's not. I did not think it through as I am not a politician. Will u waste Ur time and energy on things which u know won't hpn?

K: Unfortunately that's how BJP is behaving too.....since i found that you share the same ideology of "not thinking through" I thought that I could at least help you think before you rant about yoga and its importance......and claim it to be a sarvanivarani......

V: Since you are subjectively and selectively picking out only those points in our discussion that reinforces your already decided and pronounced verdict that I am a certified bhakthal, I cannot stop you from doing it. You are not going to change Ur mind even if natural evidence is gvn to u and just going to cling to Ur false belief that I am a certified bhakthal. Iwill just say 2 things before I sign off. For now. If tmrw RaGa comes out with an outstanding course of action for our country's progress or Kejriwal uses his IIT brains to chart and accelerate the welfare of the ppl, I am in for them. But, will they? I don't know. The only person who is doing in that direction is Modi Ji.

Second. If I were a politician, I wld have first addressed the primary concerns plaguing the ppl irrespective whether they are Ambanis or Scavengers. Only after that I wld have even thought of imposing Yoga on everyone. I don't know whether u understood my point of view as I have clearly understood urs as labelling me a certified bhakthal to bolster Ur delusional truth when I had given you the Maslow's Hierarchy in the beginning of the conversation. Without solving the basic problems, it's nearly impossible to even think of making ppl to practice Yoga or meditation. So, yes. I have myself acknowledged, accepted, admitted and confessed that I did not think through for Yoga to be practiced by daily labourers or Scavengers as there were several hurdles before it can be even implemented and not expend my exertion of my thought process to the grass roots when I am not a decision-maker and plenty of issues to be tied up. But, I have the understanding enough to solve all the basic needs and essentials of the deprived and common ppl first before proceeding to asanas and pranayama to them. So, anything more on BJP's modus operandi, pls contact the concerned person and get your queries answered. I am not the right person pa.

K:  In direction to accelerate welfare of the people? By dropping the growth rate? And addressing issues like farmers suicide by imposing yoga? By snatching mid-day meal schemes in govt schools and shoving aadhar card down their throats ?...... great acceleration of welfare !!! 

Good that you finally understood Maslow's hierarchy theory......and i hope you will also extend this understanding to the current social political and economic scenario before addressing Modi as someone who working towards acceleration of people's welfare....

V: Ada pagutharivu raniye....let us take this step by step....Did you speak abt Maslow's hierarchy first? No. Did you make me understand Maslow's hierarchy in the way the explanation was given? No. Did u explain that material happiness needs to be first satisfied and only then yoga should be done? No. Did I call you an Anti-National? No. Your sole intention was to discredit me by calling and ranting that I was a certified bhakthal again and again based on half-baked, incomplete judgements that satisfies your ego which saves your own face from being wrong in the public which is clearly evident from the FACT OF YOUR STATEMENT "Good that you finally understood Maslows hierarchy theory". A true pagutharivu person sees things as they are and not as their ego wants and demands to be seen just to safeguard their individual fragile self-picture of themselves.

Now, you are either going to continue your ranting about Modi Ji in some way or the other or make ad hominem attacks on me. Let me give you a heads-up. If you are doing the former, I have already said it and I will say it again "pls contact the concerned person and get your queries answered". If you are going to do the latter, you are just proving my point that this entire discussion is about that FACT that you want to be seemed right and make me look wrong. The choice is yours.

K: I am not interested in making me seem right or you seem wrong......I am just surprised that you who first spoke about Maslows hierarchy failed to see that yoga is not an important direction to head into for the conuntry's development and call these measures as acceleration of people's welfare.......

V: Never I mentioned Yoga to be acceleration of people's welfare or that Yoga should trump up "proper amenities" without actually giving relief to the basic and essential pain points of the common man.......You can check out the complete thread if you wish....I wouldn't have said such a thing other than saying that my support will be even for Kejriwal if he strategizes an action plan that accelerates the welfare of the ppl..My articulation of my verbalization is clear and simple....How would you feel if I misquote you and say something which u did not? Good huh?

K: You did mention that right now Modi is the only one working towards the acceleration of people's welfare isn't it......? So I am wondering if this "yoga" being promoted by the Modi govt as a prime priority is that direction ?

V: Let's break this again one by one....Is Kejriwal seen on TV nowadays? No. Nowhere to be seen. RaGa? Occasionally. Modi Ji. 100 %. In fact, if I am not wrong, he's going on a 3 nation visit including the USA on behalf of the entire 1.3 Billion Indian population.You might say that he's doing his job and that's why he's voted by the ppl. True. But, who amongst these 3 is really working for the welfare of the ppl? You may not want to say it. But, it's Modi Ji. Right? 2019 elections are just a couple of years away. Out of RaGa, Kejriwal or Modi, you tell me now who is actively involved in the opposition parties to the PM post for the 2019 elections pa. Talks of a unified opposition to topple the Modi Govt. But, where are they when it comes to important matters?. Thorny societal issues are still a pressing and persisting barb wires that is continuing to hurt the many. I never ever mentioned once that all was hunky-dory and everyone was having a place under the sun. If that's the impression that you had got abt me, it's your right. But, is it REALLY true? A rational person will want to find out the objective truth even if it is bitter and goes against their better subjective judgments pa.

K: Seriously......your idea of working for the country is a prominence on media and foreign tours? And what is the outcome of these foreign tours on Indian economy or Indian people's standard of living? He has visited the developed nations so many damn times......didn't he feel like abolishing manual scavenging in India even after visiting such countries? In a way I only feel that our tax money is being wasted on such so-called business vacations....... he would rather stay well in the country and address the people's issues, isn't it?

V: Seriously...Have u been in sales? If u haven't, let me just tell u something... the relationship isn't something that will blossom overnight into flowers which u can pick and sell to earn money.It takes time to nurture, build and sustain so that u can transform that one single flower into a beautiful garden.....It takes repeated visits to maintain the relationship as we are the ones who are dependent on them as we lack their technical finesse though we are also fast catching up to their standards ...If Modi Ji stays in India, some ppl will say "Look @ other country's PMs and Presidents.They are building a good rapport with foreign countries and bringing the latest tech and investments to their countries. But, our PM is just simply sitting within India and increasing the World Bank Loan by external borrowing and making our economy regressive"....If Modi Ji goes to visit other countries "Again. The same ppl calls it Business Vacation".

This is not pagutharivu..It is opportunism @ its despicable worst...Now, you would possibly go one step further and rant once again that I am not only a certified bhakthal but also ISO certified bhakthal.

Just because I have said this, you are going to say 'no no no..I will not say you are an ISO certified bhakthal"...And just because I have said this you may reply something else which is completely contrary to what is being discussed here.

So, either way....U r again going to direct the verbal projectiles on me seeing only a slice of the whole picture and clinging to the parochial mindset whereas I have seen the whole picture and viewing how positively the transformation can possibly happen soon. Just because a woman is wondering, it doesn't make them Wonder Woman.

So, I have exactly answered to your question "he could rather stay well in the country and address the people's issues...Isn't it?" by saying only "It isn't".

Now, you might cherry-pick selectively and say that I am a male chauvinist for mocking woman community as a whole for my comment "Just because a woman is wondering, it doesn't make them Wonder Woman"....It is equally applicable to men as well. FYI. So that you don't interpret it in the way you want to interpret instead of knowing and understanding things as it is.

And just coz I have said "So that you don't interpret it in the way you want to interpret instead of knowing and understanding things as it is", you might still want to find some way and repeat these words to me again either now or in the future. Go ahead. It really doesn't bother me. But, I will be actually amused and bemused that how come a rational person is seeing through the myopic lens of tainted reality. That's all pa.

K:  Wow.....in the last few comments all you did is just assume what I would tell....and spoke for both sides....... and it is plain ridiculous......

Talking about sales.....if your product is good you don't have to run for such sales calls...... the buyer/investor will be automatically interested if your product is exceptional...... and by products I mean the resources and policies of the country....the economy of the country...... 

What is the point in flying around when your product is not upto market standards......? If the policies are not right ? If the intentions are not focussed on the sustainable development of the resources and making the product capable of competing in the world market....then how will other countries be interested to do any kinda business with this economy/country ? Then such relationship building is of no use......and can only be termed as business vacations......

V: Wow....Did I REALLY assume things? Shall we de-construct it brick by brick? Have I anywhere chosen only those segments of the conversation that is comfortable and cozy to boost my logical validity? No. Did I force or coerce or threaten or intimidate you to pick-and-choose your talking points? No. When the precedence to selectively hit the discussion has been set by you, it gives me every right to assume or presume the logical connection and continuation from your point of view as you have already proved voluntarily by yourself that as per your whims and fancies you reason things to support your theory that I am a bhakthal. By saying this, I am not saying that your other points are not valid like the farmers' issue or manual scavenging. According to me as well, manual scavenging is an inhumane inhuman activity which shouldn't be practiced in the civilized world as it degrades the dignity of an individual to shit level.

Now, coming to your other point...The great Warren Buffett has said that his single biggest mistake is not to have invested in the giant Google. If you say Google doesn't produce exceptional products, then I don't know what to say. Likewise, tell me one product which has successfully had a long-run without Sales & Marketing. You may say Word-of-Mouth is a tremendous medium. Unfortunately, there are paid WOMs as well. I will give you an example. I am not sure whether you have heard about #Zoho. They craft phenomenal products. But, they view Marketing as a cost center instead of an investment. WOM will get you the awareness and loyalty but what about the reach? Frequency? It is indeed heartening to see that they have started to take Marketing of their wonderful creations seriously by launching ads on TVs and billboards. Marketing becomes only an expense if you splurge the money without knowing why you are doing it. But, when you use it strategically, the rewards are immense. Glad that #Zoho and Sridhar Vembu had shaken themselves up from the mentality as IMHO, no objectively good thing should go waste without adding value to the customers.

Similarly, without planting a seed, you cannot expect a tree. That is what Modi Ji is doing. The seed is being put under the ground. But, without conducive environment for the seed to grow into a profitable tree, it is of no avail.

K: So you mean to say....the product can be shitty.....but marketing is enough to keep up sales?

With this thought-provoking question, this discussion will be spilled over in the final part of this series.

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